I've just gotten so lazy lately, I've taken to just posting the interesting IM conversations I have with co-workers...
VoLtron: kung pao chicken me: your mom
VoLtron: was that the part that bothered you in scott pilgrim?
me: no the
"she's Chinese" and
"Should you even be dating outside of your race?" and the utter
This Stereotype is So 10 Years Ago and has been Beat to Death Already and Scott is stupid and shallow for dating Knives in the first place
and then he leads her on
and leaves her for the "cool" white girl
VoLtron: did you like the movie?
me: I think I could have if they hadn't made the Knives character so clowny to juxtapose with how cool Ramona is. Like Ramona will sleep with Scott on the first date Scott won't sleep with Knives because she's totally naive and juvenile.
I know she's a character but it colored all of my feelings about the movie and made me feel bitter because...I dunno, it's all the feelings I have about being an Asian female who dates both white and Asian guys and all the hate I get poured on me when I do date white guys. Like I relate more to Ramona but I feel like people see me as the Knives and...I'm just tired of fighting what I look like on the outside because people are too assbackwards to see the inside. I know that you guys really liked it but I feel like the character has the potential to set Asian females back another 5-6 years. I mean...why can't I be a combination of the two? Completely articulate, cool, good at video games AND Asian?
VoLtron: did you read the books? (i have a lot of thoughts on this issue, but i'm still thinking about how you and i approached this movie)
me: no, and I think that's a problem too. so many times, movies are squished together edited versions of much more well-written tomes and the Hollywood producers and editors try to find the essence of a film and then put that on screen (like Harry Potter)
so you're really only getting the basest shards of a character but look at all the hate asian women have been getting on screen lately
(other than Lost)
Cho Chang
Knives Chau
Lady DeathStryke
Asian women are no more deserving of love, respect or affection because of their stereotype as gold digging, superficial man stealers. Just ONCE give me an example of a redeeming Asian female character on screen who doesn't get screwed over or dumped.
Maybe that chick from that weird Conjoined twins baseball movie
I've thought a lot about this, can you tell?
are you writing the editorial?
VoLtron: ok, let's first talk about the movie
I can see why that would be irritating. Knives’ background is more fleshed out in the book, but this background more reinforces the stereotypes so I guess I was used to/prepared for her treatment in the movie the kung pao chicken line, however, is new. I can see how they threw that in to heighten reality (last boss is a dick), but, for me, all it did was INTRODUCE reality into the movie
me: I don't even remember that line
VoLtron: hahaha
me: where was that line?
VoLtron: gideon calls knives "kung pao chicken"
me: he does? when?
VoLtron: right before the final fight
me: oh...huh
VoLtron: i thought that line overall was an unecessary risk
but the books are pretty juvenile. like, there wasn't a scene in the where wallace's sexuality wasn't brought up, same as the book
me: yes
I suppose you could watch the movie from that perspective as well
I think, though, in spite of Wallace's sexuality
he's still presented as a likable voice of reason
VoLtron: you didn't find Knives likable?
me: not til the end
I found her embarrassing to watch, though, not ridiculous til after Scott dumps her
VoLtron: i don't think the movie was careless in its treatment. i think it's more of a representation of these racisms that are hardwired into our psyche through pop culture
me: it's hard to watch onscreen, and hard to know that these stereotypes are still the ones being financed and to not be that
VoLtron: well, i don't think they're even aware these issues exist
for example, in juno
me: but to know that there is a certain demographic that will watch this movie and believe that
VoLtron: in juno, there's a scene where ellen page is talking about her ideal parent for the baby and she says "a graphic designer with an asian girlfriend" it's a throwaway line, it's not played for laughs or even to hurt, but the scary/funny thing is how quickly the audience understands the meaning of this phrase the asian girlfriend repesents "clean, discreet taste"
me: yes
VoLtron: she's objectified to the point where ellen page could've just said "a graphic designer who skateboards"
me: it's understood that there is a certain aesthetic to having an Asian significant other
VoLtron: but, again, i don't think these statements are made out of malice
me: no
VoLtron: they're just what people know and what people write
me: but that aesthetic is unfair
I mean, replace Asian with Jewish
VoLtron: well, that's what happens when you're born white and born at the top
me: and see how many people react
yep so what are your feelings about the movie?
VoLtron: i looooooved it
i had so much fun
me: Hamster and Wannamaker and I discussed it a little yesterday
VoLtron: tbh, a lot of the dynamic between scott and knives i saw a lot of with my previous relationship, i think so i was definitely more emotionally invested in it
me: I think...I enjoyed most of the parts of Scott Pilgrim that did not have to do wtih Knives til the very end. I would have loved her to help Scott kick Gideon's ass because he's a douche bag
VoLtron: what if knives were black?
would that make you change how you saw her character
me: yes
because a) all the jokes about her being Asian wouldn't have been made
and b) I wouldn't have related to her so much
but I think Hollywood also wanted the effect of making that charcter Asian
as did the original writer/cartoonist
which is raging fan girl combined with deadly cuteness
irrational
VoLtron: bryan lee o'malley is white/korean, and he married a white girl
just putting it out there
me: well
then less power to him to writing a character that brings down his Asian sisters
just because someone is half asian doesn't make it right
VoLtron: it doesn't
he's pretty whitewashed
but so am i
so whatever
me: grr...someone ate cereal
and didn't wash their bowl
VoLtron: i bet it was Wannamaker
me: nope, I have a sneaking suspicion it was Dail
I'm going to give him til the end of the day to wash it
I see everything, ahah
Wannamaker always washes his dishes. I gave him crap once and he never did it again
VoLtron: haha, taskmaster
me: totally
see?
fear the Irate Asian
VoLtron: oh you people are so cute when you're mad
there, there
me: KAWAAIII CHOP!
VoLtron: shoryuken reversal!
me: shoyu reversal?